Dropping the Ball: Work, Recovery, and the Superwoman Schema
Struggling to find work-life balance during or after cancer treatment? Learn how to escape the Superwoman Schema, beat burnout, and finally prioritize joy.
Have you ever felt like you’re constantly dropping balls in the endless juggling act of being a working professional and a parent? In this episode, we get real about the myth of work-life balance, sharing their deeply personal experiences of navigating demanding careers during and after cancer treatment. Tune in to gain a refreshing, honest perspective on setting boundaries, managing burnout, and giving yourself permission to step back when life throws its hardest curveballs.
The conversation dives into the complex realities of cancer survivorship and returning to the workforce, from battling post-treatment brain fog to overcoming the intense pressure of feeling left behind by peers. Together, we unpack the “Superwoman Schema” - a psychological framework that heavily pressures women of color to flawlessly execute their professional and familial roles - and debate the hidden costs of constantly choosing resilience over rest. We explore practical, habit-building strategies to calm morning anxiety before you even touch your inbox. However, the ultimate breakthrough hinges on a thought-provoking five-million-dollar question that will completely redefine how you prioritize your own personal joy.
Introduction: Agility and Life’s Curveballs
Cassandra Dell: Hello, hello my friend.
Kayoll Gyan: Hi Cassandra, how you doing? Today is a Friday. It is one of those days multitasking, and of course the children are out of school this week. So it’s been a lot.
Cassandra Dell: I’m with you on that. It’s a lot. We are thinking about a lot of things at once. We have a lot of things we need to do ourselves, and we need to account for other things.
I’m just trying to invite nimbleness and agility. Just bend with where you have to be; don’t be rigid. It’s going to ruffle the feathers if you do. You don’t want to be up and nobody’s cold.
Kayoll Gyan: You reminded me of this guy from college, this alpha. I forgot his name, but he’d be like, “Yeah, you got to be agile like a mongoose.” I’m like, “What?” That was his line. Agile like a mongoose. I’m like, “What is a mongoose?” But okay.
Cassandra Dell: That’s it, though, because life is going to throw curveballs. The day’s not going to go exactly as planned. Good news will come and then you’re like, “Wait, now I need to be prepared,” while you’re dealing with today.
I’m just trying to hone in on that right now, but that’s not what we’re here for. Actually, we’ll semi-talk about it on this episode today. We will be talking about living our lives in survivorship and work-life balance, counterbalance, however, work life with work. I’ll call it that.
The Reality of Work-Life Juggling
Kayoll Gyan: I like that. I think I prefer that because I don’t know if there’s ever a work-life balance. And if whoever has achieved it, I really need to hear from them because it feels like every day is a juggling act.
Some days are better than others, which I’m thankful for. But then you have those other days when it’s like everything is coming at you at the same time. You’re trying to keep all the balls in the air without dropping one.
Cassandra Dell: And really to that point, it’s like, what ball is going to have to drop? Because I know one of them is going to have to.
So let’s start with this, because I’m thinking about not just us having this conversation, but the people that might listen to it. Walk the listener through what your experience was like navigating treatment while juggling managing work.
Working Through Chemotherapy
Kayoll Gyan: For me, I teach. At the time I was teaching in academia. I was teaching one class that semester, but when I was diagnosed and began chemo, I actually worked during chemo because my schedule allowed for it.
The class only met once a week. The assignments weren’t too bad. Although I knew that I was going through something as serious as chemo and cancer, I didn’t necessarily want to throw off my students’ lives. I don’t know if that’s weird.
Cassandra Dell: You need to hone in on that and just stop right there. Because you’re going through a whole loophole and you’re like, “Hold on, the students.”
Kayoll Gyan: Yeah, which I’m just like, “Why did I do that?” Is that admirable or should I have just chilled? If there’s any time ever to shut down or to take some me-time, it would have been that time.
But it was 2021 and we were still coming through COVID. I just felt like it was important to keep a little sense of normalcy. I didn’t want them needing to find a new instructor and having to go through the delays of all of that. Maybe that’s just me at heart, not wanting to inconvenience people, which sounds bizarre.
The Conditioned Need for Normalcy
Cassandra Dell: I think it’s a part of many of us—how we’re wired, especially as Black women. I think we are conditioned toward grounding, normalcy, and stability. We’d rather accommodate others. We often bend to accommodate others very often.
But to your point, there might be some value add in that. By trying to say, “Maybe if I don’t treat myself as ill, I won’t sit in that headspace or energy too long.” I could see both sides of it. Especially because going through treatment, you start in one position and then it progresses. I completely understand wanting to just start and roll with it.
Kayoll Gyan: And I guess maybe I was a bit naive, feeling like I can handle it. I ended up finishing the semester and all of that. But at the time, because it was COVID and everything was remote and hybrid, I felt like I could still present myself in a way that I didn’t look sick to the students.
I could still wear a head wrap or do my makeup. I didn’t have to have the physical exertion of driving into campus, showing up in person, or standing during a lecture. I felt like it was a bit more doable in that sense.
Compared to other people who worked during chemo, I felt like this field I was in allowed me a little bit more flexibility, especially since the course was just once a week. In most of my slides, I could take my time during the week preparing.
Cassandra Dell: It makes sense that you would have said, “This is what I’m handed. It’s not as demanding. I don’t have to physically interact with people. Let me see what I can manage.”
Transitioning from Treatment to Recovery
Kayoll Gyan: When the spring semester came, though, I did take a leave because I would be doing my surgery. I was like, “Okay, I did enough.” I did take that semester off, which was a good thing because at that point I was tired. It was a lot.
I think it’s interesting now, being a few years out of it, working and reintegrating back into what my normal work schedule is. It still feels different because at the time, although I was in chemo, it seems like there was more support to be flexible. My mom was here to help with the boys.
Cassandra Dell: That’s a good point there.
Kayoll Gyan: Frank was off from work at that time, so there were more hands available to make it possible to manage both and not feel overwhelmed. But since going back to work, we’ve all assumed our normal routine.
It’s now on us as the primary parents to reestablish those expectations and responsibilities that I could previously push off to my mom or a friend who was there to provide support in that season.
Choosing Medical Leave over Corporate Demand
Cassandra Dell: That makes sense. The way I’m assessing the situation was, no need to take yourself out of the game. You had the support you needed and it wasn’t as demanding. Ultimately, time showed you were able to manage.
I had a different experience in that from the beginning. I was like, “Nope, let’s not even try it.”
Kayoll Gyan: What type of work were you in that made you say no from the beginning?
Cassandra Dell: In my position, I am a product manager in marketing, corporate. It translates, at least for me, to being hybrid often, but I could be at home, traveling outside of the state, or in the office.
It is highly interactive and super demanding. Your response is required all the time. You’re on. It’s balancing responsiveness through the day while managing strategic high-level projects.
I said I couldn’t possibly be managing traveling while undergoing this level of treatment. I wasn’t necessarily anticipating it being hard, but cumulative dose showed itself to be harder in some moments. Functionally speaking, I didn’t want to anticipate having to feel that demand. It was best that I just release that so I could optimize the space for my body to heal without having to explain my time to anyone.
Kayoll Gyan: I think that’s so interesting—needing to always be available. You don’t realize how much stress that adds to constantly needing your phone next to you to check an email.
It’s like a weight that you carry if you’re in that type of a profession. You’re always needing to know if somebody is looking for you or requesting something that you need to deliver within a timely point.
I don’t know how you would be able to relax and take time for yourself when you’re trying to also be on for others. How can you be on for yourself?
The Challenges of Returning to Work
Cassandra Dell: Exactly. Even now that time has transpired, I am dealing with essentially feeling new to my job again. There’s this old birdie in my head that’s like, “Oh, your teammates are ahead of you.” It’s been a year and change.
They’ve done a lot of learning and they’ve been exposed, and you literally feel like you’re starting back from scratch. I am dealing with the side effect of just being absent, but I still look at it as the best decision I could have made.
Now, I filled that time with things. Even though you drop something like work, Cassandra is too good at replacing one stress with other stresses. I recognize that effort in saying, “I’m going to communicate to my manager who must communicate to HR that I will not be here.”
I didn’t even know how long the time would have been. There’s a lot of paperwork juggling—managing the physicians, making sure they’re communicating, and sending that to disability departments. It’s kind of like maternity leave when people ask, “Did you enjoy the time off?” No. Ain’t nobody had no time off.
Kayoll Gyan: There is no rest with the new baby. There’s no rest with chemo.
Cassandra Dell: Exactly. I found there was still a lot of logistics to handle and it was more than I was anticipating. I wanted to be off-off. Similarly to you, I had some support from my parent, sister, and mother-in-law because not a lot of people knew.
I say all this to say, I think I made a good decision. I’m paying for the side effects of it, but I still feel good that I made it.
Kayoll Gyan: One of the things that stood out to me is this feeling of being behind once you’re back in the workplace. Whether that timeframe away was three months, six months, or a year, it comes with its own reintegration process where you have to reacclimate.
The workforce changes so quickly. There’s new policies and new people hired; it’s all dynamic. That’s one of the things I had to deal with going back to work. In academia, with a tenure track, you always have to publish and write. That is a currency.
I wasn’t doing that. When going back to work full time—which I did literally the weekend after finishing chemo—I started a new position that Monday.
Cassandra Dell: You did the same thing with your wedding that you did.
Kayoll Gyan: Oh, my gosh, I did. I totally forgot that. I need to stop. Why?
Cassandra Dell: It’s going to be there.
Kayoll Gyan: But that mentality of needing to do what needs to be done—it’s the Jamaican in me.
Cassandra Dell: It’s the Jamaican in you. Y’all don’t need no time. Y’all be having multiple jobs.
Kayoll Gyan: It’s fine. But having that added mindset like, “I need to catch up to my peers. I’ve been away and I need to figure out the most efficient way to get up to speed.” I wanted to start again to write, think, publish, and apply for these grants that are cognitively heavy.
Thinking that I could just go back to how things were prior to chemo and all these other experiences really took a toll on me.
Recognizing Symptoms of Fatigue and Brain Fog
Cassandra Dell: When did you realize it? When did you say, “Hold up, I’m feeling this”?
Kayoll Gyan: I think it happened to me slowly over time, probably over a year or so. The first thing I had to realize was recognizing what the symptoms of fatigue were for me. I was just used to going and going.
If you’re tired, everyone’s tired; keep going. I had to realize that after going back to work, there was a time in the day when I just had to go lay down. That was 6:00.
I realized I was getting very irritable. I was feeling the pressure of, “Oh, it’s 6:00, it’s time for dinner to feed the children.” Usually, I’m a night owl too, so I’m used to staying up late to work while the house is quiet.
Realizing that I couldn’t do that anymore was hard. Then I tried to figure out, “Do I wake up early? Am I now a morning person?” I’m still not a morning person. So that didn’t fix that.
It was months of trying to be what I used to be and do what I used to do. I slowly realized it takes me longer to write. It takes longer to create organized outlines and paragraphs and turn them into manuscripts.
What used to take me three months to do is now going to take me six. I had to internally be okay with that while wrestling with the metrics in my head saying I need deliverables. I’m still working through this.
It hasn’t gone away. I’ve had to realize that I may never go back to what I was before, but how can I still be effective in who I am now? I was talking to my mentor about this because one day I was crying and said, “I can’t do this. Something is wrong with my brain.”
She told me, “You’re fine. You’ll be all right. You just have to figure out how this new brain works now,” you know.
The Emotional Rollercoaster of Comparison
Cassandra Dell: Hearing your lived experience—and you having more time in this than I—gives this a timestamp for people listening. I’ve been back at work maybe five or six weeks, and I’ve been part-time.
I am thankful that HR said this is what we’ll do for you. Even though the time is restricted, I find myself trying to work additional hours just to play catch up. Girl, it’s a rollercoaster.
I’m not as efficient as I used to be. I think this is just new. At least that’s the phase I’m in right now. I look to the left and the right at my other teammates and I’m like, “That email just got sent out at 11:00 AM. Why is someone responding to it at 11:05 as if they were just waiting for it?”
They’re also making calls. How are you juggling three or four platforms and responding while being in a meeting? Is it that you understand the material already so you don’t have to pay attention? When something is understood, your brain puts less energy into it.
I’ve been on an emotional rollercoaster. Part of it is knowing it’s new and giving myself time. The other part is, “Shouldn’t you know this already? Aren’t you familiar with this stuff?”
The third part is comparing myself to my teammates. I don’t work in a silo; I work with other people and they are fast. They have ideas. I feel like my ideas fall flat or they’re not relevant. They might think, “Hmm, not sure if Cass understands.” I have to lead while I’m learning.
Kayoll Gyan: Yeah.
Cassandra Dell: It’s very uncomfortable. There are moments where I can feel the frog in my throat. Just being me—head wrap, black girl, mom with young children—I can’t think of many people in my organization navigating life after this.
I’m really in a space where I don’t want to victimize myself, like I need babying while I go through this. But the balance of rigor and grace is hard for me. It’s hard for anyone who wants to do their job well.
I was asking myself why I want to go back to work. It’s not the most glamorous thing, but I recognize that I want to contribute and do a good job independent of my circumstances.
The headspace I’ve been in is, “Is this work still for you?” And if it’s not, what indicator will you have to move on or keep going? I’m asking for discernment. Learning is awkward; it’s choppy.
The last part of that is the side effect of what my family is feeling. I’m moody. Even for us to record today, I was like, “Everybody out of my way.” I have a three-year-old and I’m worrying if her diaper needs changing or if she needs something. My husband is trying to take a shower and I’m like, “I need to take a shower. I need to go.” I am short and irritable when things get in my way. That’s how it’s going.
The Superwoman Schema
Kayoll Gyan: I think that outside of this experience, managing these dual roles reminds me of Dr. Cheryl Woods-Giscombé and the Superwoman Schema. It’s so fitting because life in general causes these competing demands and responsibilities.
How are you showing up and feeling fully there and equipped to contribute value? Let me read about the Superwoman Schema. It’s a psychological construct that describes the pressures women face to excel in various roles, including professional, familial, and social responsibilities.
The schema often leads to chronic stress and adverse mental health outcomes such as anxiety and burnout. It is shaped by societal and cultural expectations, compelling women to strive for perfection across multiple domains of their lives. What we both just said is basically this in real life.
Cassandra Dell: To read that out loud—we fundamentally understand what that is. Even when we read it, we feel the squirm. The situations show themselves.
Understanding allostatic load, our body does not need any more cortisol flying through the roof as it tries to mend itself. It’s not just from what we’ve experienced, but just daily. When we go to sleep, our body is restoring itself.
Do you have any advice on how you approach that better? How do you do that better? Today, something came up for you that you didn’t know was going to come up. You’re having to isolate time for us to do this session. How do you invite ease when you’re managing multiple things?
Practical Approaches to Grounding
Kayoll Gyan: That’s a great question. I think it is still in progress for me. I probably haven’t figured out how to be consistent in allocating that space for myself outside of the responsibilities in the day.
But I think it could start by quiet time. Devoting a certain period of time during the day as just a time-out. A time for self-reflection, for meditation on words, thoughts, or scripture that is healing and rejuvenating to my spirit and then to the body.
I think practicing that and being consistent with it could be a first step. It’s something that I do, but I’m not consistent with it. I know that when I do it, it makes a difference. That “more” part gets lost for me during the week—often, not even sometimes.
Cassandra Dell: Every day, all the time.
Kayoll Gyan: But I realize I need to put the phone down, put the computer away, and just sit. I also think my husband does a great job in doing this for himself.
We were out to breakfast this week with the boys since they’re on break, and he said, “Yeah, sometimes I take myself out to breakfast. It just lets me sit and get my head together. Then when I leave, I go start my day.” I’m just like, “That’s nice. That must be real nice.”
Cassandra Dell: It’s like you live with this whole man and you’re like, “Oh, you’re doing that, huh?”
Kayoll Gyan: I didn’t know that. He’s always telling me to do that or to leave the house because I work from home most days. But in my mind, it’s like I can’t leave because somebody’s probably looking for me. Ten emails probably came in by the time I’m coming back.
I can definitely learn from him in how you start your day. I was listening to Priscilla Shirer and she was talking about that as well. She said that before her feet touch the ground, she takes time to connect with herself and with God.
Even if it’s just time for a short prayer to yourself, talking to God and commanding the day. Declaring what you want to go through the day as. Then when your feet touch the ground, it’s like, “All right, let’s go.” Taking that time before getting up grounds you in whatever centers you.
Cassandra Dell: What you’re saying—I felt it in my whole body. It was very visceral. Even the act of you just stating, “Wake up, whatever is ahead of you, you are safe.”
Biologically, our bodies have the highest cortisol levels in the morning. Rather than saying, “Crap, what do I need to do? Who needs my help? Where’s my phone?”, try to tame the fire by catching your breath, meditating, or praying.
I can’t tell you how all of us need that right now more than ever. We let the noise of being behind get to us. Think about the reasons why you feel like you need to be urgent.
You just stated something so clear: if I step out of the house, getting myself together and changing space is a value add. But then the yin and the yang of that is thinking, “If I do that, I will lose time in the commute. What am I going to eat? Maybe I could do a load of laundry.” I’m right there with you.
Do I really need to go into the office? But maybe going to the office gives you that undivided attention so you’re not feeling all of the tabs open up.
I’m going to be very honest with the listener, and I really don’t want to be, but I’m revealing myself. When I wake up in the morning, too often I state what’s missing, what’s wrong, and what is off balance.
It takes an active energy for me to just say good morning to my husband and leave it at that. Don’t ask him to do anything. Don’t ask yourself to do anything. I really want to work on my language because you already have a lot to do and you know it.
I am not taking that quiet time. I am filling up my brain with things that it really does not need. Instead of honoring yourself, I’m picking at the things that are imperfect. It’s easier for me to speak about it right now than to do it while in the act of stress.
Gratitude vs. Anxiety
Kayoll Gyan: It brought me back to something I heard about how gratitude and anxiety can’t coexist. Maybe we’re giving anxiety, worry, and stress too much space in our minds and bodies.
If we replace that with a sense of gratitude—”Lord, I thank you for waking me up. I thank you for the breath of life. I thank you that I’m healthy. I thank you for my husband, children, and our life”—that should come to the surface. That should be the way to start the day.
Cassandra Dell: I 100% agree. So how do you make it a non-negotiable? Full disclosure, we are working moms. Those two words together are chopped and screwed.
Some days you surprise yourself where you’re like, “Wow, I did that.” And some days you get to 5:30 or 6:00 and you’re like, “Nobody talk to me right now.” Not another stimuli, not another input.
You’re not going to work with the bonnet on, right? That’s non-negotiable. You have to brush your teeth in the morning. You have to shower. How do we make these practices non-negotiable?
Especially in an age where you have access to information and you’re trying to stay ahead. Frank could try and pick up all of the house stuff, but there are still things that Kayoll wants to do for herself that he can’t do for you. We all have the same 24 hours.
How are you creating boundaries to do that? Do you meditate and pray laying down in your bed? Or do you isolate yourself from your husband and children?
Overcoming Wellness Overachievement
Kayoll Gyan: Frank, for one Christmas, got me a gift to work with a self-help coach. One of the things I learned from that is even in trying to relax, I can be an overachiever with that too.
Cassandra Dell: This is why we’re vibing.
Kayoll Gyan: I’m going to exercise every day. I’m going to make a smoothie every day. I’m going to do the quiet time. But all of that is stuff to do. It’s added things to the checklist.
I’ve realized that picking one thing to focus on for the day or the week and trying to be consistent in that one thing first is key before it becomes a core part of you.
Cassandra Dell: Atomic Habits, actually.
Kayoll Gyan: Exactly, Atomic Habits talks about that. So I think that is the most feasible approach because I don’t want to overdo it. Being relaxed shouldn’t be stressful.
I shouldn’t be worried because I didn’t make a smoothie today or I didn’t eat a vegetable. Choosing that one habit and trying to be consistent in it—even if I don’t do it every day, if it’s done three or four times out of the week, that would be a success.
Navigating Social and Family Dynamics
Cassandra Dell: Shifting gears here—it doesn’t need to be this competition with self in trying to balance being a working professional, a mother, and a wife. We still have parents who need things from us too.
If you had to tell yourself how to do this better today—I never like to go with the month because you don’t know what’s ahead—do you currently have things that have fallen by the wayside?
Because of the things you’re managing, are there things you are not doing? And are you okay with it?
Kayoll Gyan: That’s a good question. For me, since moving to Boston, it has been a challenge to consistently exercise. I used to run when I was in North Carolina. I was part of a running group. Since coming here, I just couldn’t find that same group.
For me, that’s probably the most visual thing. It ebbs and flows. Some weeks I’m really good with it, and other weeks I miss, which turns into one, two, three weeks. Then I’m like, “Man, I haven’t worked out in a month.”
I have been trying to figure out what that looks like for me now. Some days I do a 30-minute dumbbell workout in the house and involve the boys, which I like. I’ve been thinking about a gym membership, but I’ve never really been a gym person.
Using the machines seems intimidating to me. Frank is always telling me to try these group workout classes. I would start, but the classes were at 5:00 in the morning. It required me to get up by 4:00 to leave by 4:30.
I did that for maybe three months, but then I ended up re-injuring my knee and I never went back. Figuring out what day during the week I can consistently do this is what I need to answer for myself.
It’s been a challenge because we moved here and it was just us. Not having my mom close has been challenging. The other aspect is we never want to leave our children with other people. We always want one of us to be with them too.
That becomes challenging when you both want to do things at the same time. But I think it’s part of life. Just figuring that part out would be good.
Cassandra Dell: You mentioned that exercise has been something that has been tabled or ebbs and flows. For me, it is looking ahead and socializing.
Because work has now picked up, I’ve closed my social tab. We’re in a book club together—girl, I’m only on page 30.
Kayoll Gyan: I haven’t even started.
Cassandra Dell: You saw me going off. I was like, “Screw this, I need to mute the conversation.”
Kayoll Gyan: It’s okay.
Cassandra Dell: Never mind the cognitive function. I’m probably reading at a slower pace than everybody else. But because of work and taking care of my children, I tend to table my social self.
I’m not asking my friends how it’s going or grabbing coffee. I’m not even checking in with my mom. I’m not even emotionally available sometimes to even my husband. It’s always “need me, need me” before “wants.”
We want to figure out what the next couple of months look like. Are we going to that wedding? Hi, Adrienne. When are we going to put the deposit down? All of that goes away because I feel like I can’t see ahead. I’m dealing with what’s right in front of me.
Kayoll Gyan: Yes. Oh man, that is so spot on.
Working on Presence and Personal Joy
Cassandra Dell: So how do I get better at saying, “My son has a birthday in April. My daughter has a birthday in May”? How do you plan for that so you’re not trying to figure it out a week and a half before?
What is the thing that you want to catch up on? Let it not be work.
Kayoll Gyan: Something for you.
Cassandra Dell: Right? Don’t always handle the necessity, because work is always going to be there. How are you working on your family dynamics?
Girl, that has fallen by the wayside in these past five weeks. To the point where my sister was like, “You good?” I’m like, “Oh, I’m good,” and then I’ll go to bed. I won’t say goodnight. I just go because I’m tired and my battery is dead.
I bathed a child; you got the other one. Goodnight. That’s all I got. I’m working on being present outside of the necessities.
Kayoll Gyan: I struggle with that too. And it’s the enjoyment aspect of life.
Cassandra Dell: We ask ourselves both the same question: “What brings you joy?” I think this is probably why we connect on a lot of things. We’re doing what we have to do instead of what we want to do.
Kayoll Gyan: Do you even have an answer to the question?
Cassandra Dell: Is the answer that I’m providing someone else’s? I’ve got a birthday coming up. My husband’s like, “What do you want to do?” and I’m like, “Oh, maybe I could go see a Broadway play.”
But do you want to see a Broadway play? Are you into Broadway shows or is that just an item to check off your list? Should you just go lay in a spa for five hours and reflect? It’s identifying the things that I enjoy. Work in progress, girl. I don’t know what it is.
The Five Million Dollar Dream
Kayoll Gyan: I definitely resonate with that. It’s finding a way to be better at planning for joy. Putting it on your calendar makes you realize how busy society has become when you have to plan for these escapes or experiences of peace.
I was listening to something on social media and it was asking the question: “If you went to the mail and found a check for $5 million, what’s the first thing you wouldn’t stop doing?”
Letting that answer lead you to dream. What would you do if you didn’t have to do this work?
Cassandra Dell: Oof.
Kayoll Gyan: Maybe we can leave it there and ask ourselves that question. And to the audience: what is that thing you would stop doing if you had a chance, and what would replace it?
Cassandra Dell: Marinate on that and we’ll probably answer it in our next session.
Long story short, we’re figuring it out. It doesn’t look linear for any person. We are not ones to ask for help, but maybe there are some pockets where we can do that. Give yourself a break. You don’t have to be on all the time.
Kayoll Gyan: Yes. You don’t have to be a superwoman in every aspect of life.
Closing Thoughts
Cassandra Dell: Any last thoughts?
Kayoll Gyan: No, that’s it. Thanks for listening, y’all. Hope you resonated with some of the things that we talked about.
Take some time to ruminate on that question for yourselves: “What would you stop doing if you could, and what would you replace that time with?” Maybe that will lead you on your way to finding out what joy looks like for you.
Cassandra Dell: Right guys. Until next time.